Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix+ goes live! SECRET MOVIE!
It’s finally here! ‘Fate of Not Known’, the new secret movie, has hit the net in style! This is the best version to be found currently!
Credits are provided at the end of the video – thanks go to KH-Vids, DarkHelmet543 and Ckff7.
Note that this is not the final version – we are still waiting for a version with the actual in-game sounds (like the attacks, clangs, scraping etc.), but this will be more than suitable for the time being!
In other news, Nomura has said that the new characters featured (including the *SPOILERS* Roxas look-alike */SPOILERS*) are featured in the new ‘series’ of KH games. He’s also unable to say currently whether Sora, Riku and Kairi will even feature in the next game, which he once again says IS the next MAIN game (a la KH1 and KH2), but isn’t called KH3.
Stay tuned for more!!
Source: KH-Vids, Ckff7 and DarkHelmet543.
if mickey was in that video then what mickey might have said in the letter was that they should meat him their cause something was happening wat other reason could mickey be there??
I think he was probably revealing that something was happening relating to the past. KH3 is pretty much history repeating – memories from the past leak to the present and similar events occur that already have.
So past becomes present, etc.
So in other words he was mentioning that what happened at this time (in this video) is going to happen again.
I think when micket sene the letter to sora,riku,kairi they when to sleep and that how these 3 soldiers came alive taking there place but when sora,riku,kairi wake up the wars begins once again.????????????????
I like GoldenEyeRa’s theory the best. I’ve also been hearing of plot of KH3 is going to be in the past, but Mickey is in the video. It doesn’t make any sense to me. The Roxas lookalike was a big throw-off, idk what that was, but it’s not Roxas because of what Nomura said about the characters being new.
Mickey sent the letter to Sora, Riku, and Kairi at the end of KH2. SO deosn’t that mean that there’s a new problem in the PRESENT TIME of Sora, Riku, & Kairi. I just don’t see how the plot can be in the future or past if they got the letter from Mickey after they got back to Destiny Islands.
Now for my prediction, I believe that the 3 “Chasers” as we’ve adopted that name for them, are 3 completely new heroes that exist in the FUTURE, and somehow King Mickey knows this and warns Sora, Riku, & Kairi of their existence and the conflict they bring with them if they travel back in time. Mickey goes into the future (somehow) and tries to stop it fom being a threat in Sora’s own future. Mickey realizes that he cannot stop it on his own and calls for the three friends to help him.
Sounds very far-fetched, but it’s a theory that I haven’t yet and it makes sense. I know that Nomura has said that Sora, Riku, and Kairi may not even be in the game at all, but he hasn’t confirmed that at all and I hope he never does because to me, that would destroy the game’s success. Can I get some feedback on this? thx
Interseting theory, original and thoughtful, but i’m sure bout it. but n e way i’ll be quick.
Anyone know about what time KH2 FM is supoosed to release in America?
i think that the roxas looking guy would be related in some way to sora. also notice the guy who had one of his pointy things broke looked a bit like axel. axel knew sora *put it together signs*
oh my god, that was awesome, cant wait till i actually get to play it, needs to hurry up and get here already
I think the Roxas look alike was related to sora to. i dont think the guy who takes his mask off in the end is related to axel. why do you think his eyes changed colors? it would be dumb to get rid of sora and riku and kairi. all in all the movie was awsome
The Roxas theory could very well be correct because Nomora said that the “chasers” are related to past characters in the past games, but he never specified though. Did anybody else see that the Roxas look-alike looked like he died at the hands of that one bald headed dude? I mean if he died in this video, what importance must he have had? This stuff just keeps getting more confusing by the minute.
if you look closely at the death part of the [roxas look alike] after the Blue girl catches him they show Roxas eyes then at the end HIS EYES MOVE thats wen the bald guy does the thing to make the heart appear
haha i beat this site into posting the Video first
go look in the previous topic comments it shows the link
that was awesome MAGIC~~~Blizzard~~~~Thunder~~~Protect
Very nice catch XENOS. I never saw that. i guess he’s not dead after all. but it was very damn near close.
Also the BALD GUY HAS YELLOW EYES
so does the LAST GUY WITH BROWN HAIR
CONNECTION???????
What does this all mean? Why did the king suddenly appear at the very end? Did anybody care to notice what keyblade he’s weilding? If not, it’s the Starseeker keyblade. It’s the same one Sora got when he obtains Valor Form. Maybe Sora isn’t the main character after all in this next game…
great, i loved it, man that was cool action and fighting. But on to my point. the bald guys eyes looked exactly like Xemnes and ansem. Conncetion, memory of xehanort anyone? anyway another thing mickeys keyblade like Orginization 13 stated, and look at mickeys clothes, they are totally differant signifying a time change, (past or furute im not sure, but black and white could be a steamboat whillie referance, so past) anyway the letter could be history repeating itself and the bald man was reserected by the black and red clone/slave man. Also and finnaly, that blue haired kid was a girl, man i thought it was a man… anyone give their opinons thanks.
hey im replying to todd’s message, dude it’s coming out in the fall.
hey im replying to todd’s message, dude it’s coming out in the fall. thats gay
Yeah Xenos version didn’t have subtitles OR the right music… it was good to see the video but I thought it would be better to show when the music etc was available.
It was awe inspiring
i loved it
OH! breakthrough in my mind, maybe mickey has the starseeker because he hasnt been to the realm of darkness yet for that keyblade because this is in the past. Remeber in KH2 you get the starseeker from the fairys who are around MASTER YENSID, who happens to be mickeys teacher, who taught him long before he was king, maybe mickey got that keyblade fomr him during training, also notice mickeys clothes, they arent the same ones he weares during his rain as king. All leading to: this is the past, and theking is like fresh meat, jsut done with training
Oh, also, at the very start it says sealed truth, like the truth had been kept hidden from sora all along. Also the bald guys key turns into the fire thing that reveals kingdom hearts, kinda like an unlitmate keyblade, the heeart of all keyblaes to open the heart of all worlds. And lastly, these heros are not our 3 but know them somehow, wither ancestors, parents whatever, know why because it says all fates are not coincidence, meaning their fates are not coincidence whith who we know, and then the secondary part to that comes when mickey is showing like they knowhim. finally the glowing eyes of both the bald man and of the biggest soldier who removes his helmet, it shows the coincident quote right before his eyes change, meaning he knows the bald man personally, to prove that statement, think at the start of the movie, where he holds back the other soldier and runs in himself, and how he only targets the bald man, not the copy/slave. Im thinking past history grudge, disowned son, tyrant father. Anyone?
THIS IS SO AMAZING!!!! AND A TEAR ROLLING DOWN MY CHEEK WHEN ROXAS WAS FROZENED BY JACK ARSE T-T
Omg wth. Roxas? They look TOO much alike. Blue eyes and everything. This video really does blow my mind. especially since i seeen what happened to that roxas look alike. At first i thought that blue haired person was a boy. Until i read it was a girl. Well it looks like That roxas look alike seems to mean a lot to that blue hair(that kinda looks like a blue kairi)…
well anyways. I was hoping Roxas would be in kh3. But for a Roxas lookalike? I guess I dont mind. but All for Sora them too.. cause Sora riku and Kairi does MAKE kingdom hearts, KINGDOM HEARTS. It would make everyone disappointed if they werent in it.
Ever notice that the old mans clothes are exactley like ansems(heartless) clothes? and that thing next to him was the type of thing dark riku was wearing…
Yes indeedy… looking around for new info now.
GoldenEyeRa, at the KH- Vids site, there’s a video that contains the new secret ending. But here’s the difference with this one. Unlike the video that was posted on this website, this new one has all the sound effects added on. Unfortanetly, no one’s been able to translate the words yet.
where the hell can u download this clip i really want it
here you go
http://www.sendspace.com/file/a57djh
just follow the orange arrow
Ashlayy, good catch. the clothes are exactly what ansem’s heartless was wearing. Now what does THAT mean? Possibly a Nobody of Ansem? Well, no because Xemnes is Xehanort’s Nobody and Xehanort is Ansem’s heartless. Wow, this is too confusing to make sense of. As for the other person that came out of the bald guy, his clothing was similar to what drak riku was wearing, but not exact. if anyone gets more info, just post it right here in this forum.
is it possible that there is another Nobody/Heartless
here’s the link to download the real KH2 ending
with the real sounds just no subs
http://www.sendspace.com/file/a57djh
[follow the orange arrow]
(>^o^)> ENJOY
i meant to say type of heartless/nobody sorry \
like
CHASERS
OK, this may sound a little dumb, but THIS VIDEO is the secret ending of KH2 FInal Mix right? Or is this this just a teaser? I’m pretty sure its the KH2 FM secret ending, I’m just making sure.
NM, don’t reply to this, I found out and made sure. I know its for KH2 FM.
Dammmmmmmmm.This kicks major ass!!!But it is weird that u fight one of the chasers in fm plus.I hope you get to use that roxas looking dude.Bro,guys to tell u the truth i really think it is roxas.If u do not think it is him u r blind.Same hair,eyes,body,everything.The chaser that takes off kis mask is definetly axel but with shorter hair.The blue haired girl is definetly new.the other people i don’t know but the old bald guy has a nobody and it’s that red guy.wonder if it is riku?I think u can use the chsers but like fight one of them cause they go with the bald dude who i think is an old xeahnort.
Alright the bald guy looks exactly like Heartless Ansem, and his man servent is also looking like the suit that Riku wears in KH1.
Dante, I know that the guy looks exactly like Roxas. I think we can all agree on that part, but he’s a “chaser” and Normura (KH Developer) said that the chasers are brand new characters that we’ve never seen before, but they do have connections to past characters. Same thing with Axel, we’ve seen him before too, so that’s that. I do agree with the bald dude and Ansem wearing the same outfit. They both have yellow eyes and everything. The outfit is exactly the same too. Same boots to the cape that he wears. I’m not sure about the Riku theory and that small red guy. After what Nomura said about the characters being completey new and all. I just wish that guy could get done with his stupid FF games and move on with the next KH title. It had better come out a short time after next year, or I will be PISSED!
Maybe the king was able to travel back into the past somehow…
It kinda seems like its in the future. the guy looks like ands wearing the same clothes as Xeahnort. and it would explain how micky was there. and that could be roxas, sora could become a heartless in the beggining of the game or somthing.
they guys with the yellow eyes who kinda looks like axel could be axels heartless
Axel cant have a heartless, he is a nobody, so he has no heart to loose. But i deffinetly dont think that the ending guy whith the helmet is axel. Axel is too small a charecter in the games to get such a huge promotion to a main one. As for the roxas look alike, it cant be him at all, when roxas was first born he was adopted by the oginization, there was no time lapse to where he could be the chaser. And then DIZ and Riku found him and he bacame twilight town roxas, every minute of his life was followed, theres no way he could have gotten away to be a chaser. Everyone just face it, there all just new charecters.
Really? If what you’re saying is true then Sora doesn’t have a heartless either. Seriously, that doesn’t make any sense. Maybe that’s Axel’s heartless. It’s simple,really. Remember that whenever a heartless is made, a nobody is created too. Or perhaps this could be a new type of being that are completely different from everyone else.
Sora did have a heartless, he was the heartless, back in the first game he turned himself into one, to save kairi’s hearts, but he turned back
this is what i think.
bald dude = ansem
Dopple ganger that rides the keyblade wave = Riku (notice the suit he has on.. KH1 anyone?)
Dude that gets frozen = Sora (notice the blue eyes and blonde hair)
Dude with lit up eyes = Roxas
Blue haired girl = its not kairi nor that other girl with the blonde. maybe a new char?
Considering that Roxas IS soras counter part. I think the main story line will be a combination of Roxas and Sora. Like KH2 you will take on the role as Roxas since sora is frozen to save his ass. This is obviously placed in the future in a different world where Roxas vanished to in the end of KH2. How roxas got there? well.. Roxas was a nobody, but eventually said “f**k it” turned good. therefore he grew somewhat of his own heart and was placed there to defend whatever it is they’re defending (he was forgiven for his sins(?)) anyways. thats my little theory.
Sora and Roxas are the same people. They cant be two out of those three.
and the one that gets frozen is NOT sora. It looks more like Roxas and it isn’t(possibly)
Idk thinking about it, it cant be Roxas if he blended in with sora. So anyways. It is said it is in the past… everyone heard that. So Roxas cant Time travel when hes IN SORA.
Those people arent the same people in kh2. I doubt it.
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Anyways… I was examining the brown hair guy in the end. And the way they made his hair… must be for a REASON. if you look closely. His hair is similiar to Xehanort/Ansems hair style. If you gel back his sides of his hair and grow it longer, and when he gets older his hair is white. So what if thats a little zehanort or ansem? it can be possible…
yea i like the comment about saying that the brown hair dude might be related to the OLD man… cause they both got yellow eyes. And in the beginning he stopped one of his friends so he could run first. gotta have reasons for every little detail yknow XD
i think he stopped them was because he had a grudge with that guy, something happened, that character might even be Xehanort
OK, everyone listen up. All the characters that are in this secret ending and the one with the original KH2 ending, are all NEW people. We have never seen them or heard of them before. Even Nomura said this himself (After all he’s only the game developer and the mastermind of the KH franchise). So I believe what he has to say about his new game coming out.
Now, it is true that Axel can have a heartless Short Boy. Remember, when a heartless is created, a nobody is created also. Axel has to have a heartless or else he would not exist at all. That guy at the end with yellow eyes could be Axel’s heartless, but what Nomura said about being all new characters, it’s highly unlikely. Plus, Axel died at the end of KH2, would his heartless even exist too? IDK, I’m not sure if it would matter.
I’m still not sure about the setting of the game yet…past or future or even present. But do you guys think that these characters might even be blood related to the characters we know? Like a sibling of some sort? (Of Axel, Roxas, Xehanort, ect.) That’s very possible because Nomura said that these characters have connections with past characters in the games. He didn’t say ALL of them, he didn’t specify how many, but some for sure do.
So remember, none of these charatcers are of who we know. THEY ARE ALL NEW CHARACTERS THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD OF!
Ashlayy i want to thank you for repeating what i said in comments 19 and 20. Anyway, if you look at the secret movie as foreshadowing, for anyone who knows that that is, the only charecter that we had seen already was mickey so i payed close attention to him, and cam up with a theroy to the time of this game. This game is in the past becase—1) Mickey is dressed in black and white clothes, almost as if it were steamboat whillie mickeys first premire way back in the PAST in 1928. His clothes are not the ones he wheres in the present day time of sora and riku. and 2) mickey had the starseeker keyblade that is recived from YEn Sid and the Farries, and yen sid is mickeys teacher, again way back in the PAST when mickey was being trained, and starseeker was his first keyblade—————————————————————–on another note, thank you Fenrir, i forgot that a heartless was created when axel was created, i was talking more about trying to make a heartless out OF axel, meaning you get another heartless and another nobody.
I agree, if he says that they are new characters, then i believe him, but why would at the end of 2, would “memories of Xehanort” come up, if he was not involved at all in the next game? I think Nomura played on words, like he meant new playable main characters, knowing we would think immediatly to riku sora and kairi.
Its a long shot, but i think the brown hair guy is Xehanort, the blonde hair guy who was frozen had some connection to sora/roxas, and the girl has a connection to kairi, or even more for riku. If so, this has to have taken place in the past.
HTe problem is, like many other have said, it is still WAY too early to be making any rash judgments, anyone of our theories can be right or completly wrong, i think to get any concrete speculations (an oxymoron i know), were gonna have to wait a at least a year, for maybe new screens and pics, by then work should have begun on the game, some stuff have been leaked, and more obvious specualtions can come of them
I agree, and even then we may not know anything about anytthing. But jsut because we may be way off doesnt mean that we cant keep talking about it. I think the black haired guy is the bald guys son. I think the roxas look alike is soras brother or something odd like that. and i think that the blue haired chick is rikus sister( i mean come on, similar hair color and a natural “warrior ability” sounds alot like a female riku.)
Let me see if I can put this in simpler words. The Secret Ending appears to have taken in the past. This is true because Mickey is using the Starseeker and his clothing his different. All three soldiers are connected to Sora, Riku, and Kairi in some way. All the characters viewed in the video are brand new except for the king.
the bald man must be the wielder of the keyblade who brought chaos and destruction you kno the opposite of sora Ansem once said that the legend states that the wielder of the keyblade brought peace and prosperity and then the other said he brought chaos and destruction i bet they were talkin about the bald guy oh and the 3 knights cant be friends of mickeys cuz one of the knights are best friends with xemnas/xehanhort
and another thing i noticed was the little sidekik the bald man has tagging along maybe thats xehanhort b4 he lost his memoris(theory)
i think that might be xehanhort cuz he is wearing the same little outfit that riku wore when xehanhort possesed him kh1
I’m sure many people have noticed this already, but did anyone notice that the bald guy had summoned Kingdom Hearts? That’s enough proof for me that this man is related to Xenhort somehow….
anyway the names sora,kairi and riku mean nothing here bcuz nomura said that the first 3 games were chapters of the first book and this trailer is part of the second book based around the keyblade so i think that sora,kairi and riku would hav minimle appearance in this game
hey everyone this has nothing to do with the game but my old name was Short Boy, but i changed it to what it is now, just because short boy doesnt fit me, anyway, i jsut wanted everyone to know im not some newbie, and that ive been here the whole time.
Idk.. THinking of all those details gives me a headache. lol. Now im just thinking of what the game will be LIKE. Like final fantasys you can CHANGE to another character instead of them fighting beside you. I kinda hoped we coulda done that with Riku Kairi and Sora. Them three fighting together and we can change to whoever we want to play. I hope the gameplay is a little more advanced. Like how kh1 gameplay inproved so much into kh2 gameplay.
I actually want to see kairi fight. Well we DID… but that didn’t show much. I want her to fight while we are playing her… >
WAIT new game…and Not kingdom hearts 3? So its going to be a sequel right? meaning its going to be another story.
So its true Sora’s story is OVER? meh, in what i hear. But many people spread RUMOURS.
i dont really think its over for good. Maybe sometime in the future, if the series lasts that long, and i hope it does, it might go back to sora’s story.
Wait a minute I thought sora was the biggest chaser because the secreat ending of 2 the smaller chaser came back to the biggest one and the 2nd biggest that video was cool though I wounder if there will be a kingdom hearts 5 if the keyblade war is in the future then they need 4 and 5 for the keyblade war
I dont think soras story is over at all if hes one of the chasers then 3 will be xehnorts story and theyll probobly go back to sora
I dont even know, im completly stummped, i have a hard time beliveing that after 2 games the main charecters will just switch out, in fact, im posotive sora will have sometihng to do with this game, there will be too many pised off people if soras not in it.
maybe sora will have a minor part, like he trained the chasers
The thing about Sora is probably right. He probably will have a minimal part in this third game, but he will definitely have some kind of part in it. No. 11 is 100% correct about him having a little part in this next game because if he wasn’t in it at all, there will be a LOT of pissed of people and I think Nomura realizes this.
The game is definitely in a different time frame, past or futrue, it’s tough to say. If it was still in the present, then why would Nomura be so hesitant and mysteious about Riku and Sora’s return for KH3? I wish that he’d just stick to the present day because Sora is the man and no games from here on out would be complete without him as the main character that we use.
Everyone is thinking past it seems to me. But remember in the secret ending in KH2 when the chasers approached the 3 keyblades of Sora, Riku, and I guess Kairi? They were all together by themselves, NOT being used. Could this mean that the three of them have died and are no longer living in this timeframe? Not saying it’s true by all means, but it is a posibility. I hope it’s not, but it can happen.
ay guys you know the CHASER that you fight in Final Mix~ the chaser had red yellow armor I think I saw the blue hair girl or roxas look alike wearing the armor in the secret ending
this game is in the past wayyyy b4 sora,riku and kairi got them and mickey was around for along time so maybe the 3 knights who piked up the keyblades were the original owners anyway in the past seems logical cuz xehanhorts memories are mentioned so it must be staged a while back and i think that the reason why soras blade is there by its self is maybe becuz he hasnt gotten it yet
and no its not the blue haired girl or the roxas look alike that red and blue armored knight was the big knight the one who took off his helmet and his eyes changed colors i kno its him cuz in the gameplay video where sora fights him look at the(the big 4ft long gold)keyblade the knight is using it is the same one from in the trailer you can clearly see this bcuz the knight is leaning down with his hands on the tip of the blade and as you can see it is the same from the trailer
oh and it must be in the past bcuz wen xemnas goes in the secret room there is a pile of armour he talks to and that signals that it must of happen back then cuz maybe the knight who owned that armour died and then xehanhort lost his memories and xemnas is starting to remember those memories oh and wen xemnas goes to the room that is clearly present time cuz it shows xehanhorts nobody(xemnas) and back then when the knights were alive xehanhort didnt have a nobody and xigbar talks about xemnas’s secret and how many years AGO was it
First of, commenting on what Fenrir said, the keyblade that the 3 chasers approach in the origonal trailer, one is not kairis, the 3 keyblades are sora mickeys and rikus. But anyway, im still set on it being in the past. OH and commenting on what the chaser of legend said, if those are theorigonal keyblades for the chasers why would the chasers be picking them up to go along with keyblades they already had. And why does the keyblades the chasers have nothave keychains? hmmm? Also everyone seems to be forgetting the present, just because Nomura is hesentant to say the main charecters are sora riku and kairi doesnt mean they arent, rember the poem that kariri wrote at the end of KH2. there is a part in it like this: there are many worlds out there,but they all share the same sky, one sky. and who knows, starting a new journey might not be so hard, in fact maybe its already begun.” or something of that sort. MAybe the world of the chasers just hasnt been visited yet by sora and company, and when kairi says new journey, maybe shes reffering to helping out the chasers, or becomeing 3 themselves.
hey everyone i changed my name again, was: No. 11 the graceful Assassin, now its No. 7, The luna Diviner. JUst know my name wil prolly change alot, but it will allways be No. Something and then that charecters nickname. I do my name from now on based on the organization 13 members, its the numberthat charecter is and its nickname, the one i choose depends on my mood.
True on what No. 7 says about the present is a possibility on the timeframe. I am not quite sold yet that it is though. Why would Mickey suddenly change clothes to a black and white color? And why is he using the starseeker keyblade?
And that one video when Xigbar and Zexion are talking, Xigbar brought up the thing about the people with “blades of keys” showing up. And this was a while ago. “Great battles were fought” and “XEMNES” he says, then he says it was Xehannort that showed up with no memories. MEMORIES OF XEHANORT.
Opps by bad i didn’t mean to end it there.
But anyway, Memories of Xehanort was mentioned in the KH2 ending. It’s gotta be linked somehow with what Xigbar had brought up. Which if it were, it would be in the PAST like he(Xigbar) said. This is the strognest theory I have about the timeframe and until time goes on, I’m sure we’ll all have similar threories about the 3rd installment. Which is said to be announced sometime mid-July.
Hey, i was replaying kigndom hearts 2 today(im not rambling this fits into our topic) And i went to fight Xigbar in the world that never was and i payed particularly close attention to what he was saying. HE said man did it pick a dud this time. Meaning one, sora is definetly not the first, or best of the keyblade masters, and 2 the origonal 6 members were around to see some ofthe previous masters. Which makes me think about the orginization (who rocks by the way) having something to do with the bald man. Also, im not saying it was in the present im saying lets not rule it out yet. And, on the video where Xemnas(anyone ever notice that Xemans reagranged is Mansex, haha) andway where xemnas goes into the “room of sleep” he is talking to the pile of armor on the floor, and he reffers to it as friend, and its the same armor in the video. This symbolizezs past because xemnas couldent reffer to the armor as friend, if he hasnt met it yet, say in the future, and the armor wouldent be without a host if it was present. Also he calls it “old friend” meaning he(or xehanort) met it in the past. One last thing, while i was playing kingdom hearts i noiced ansem the wises eyes, they were yellow too like the heartless ansem and xemnas, what im getting at, is you dont have to be a heartless or nobody to have yellow eyes, so the 2 in the video(old man and buff knight) could be normal people.
I think this hole war thing takes place in the future. I know this is different from evryone else but think about it. Mabye mickys trainer yensid had some crazy time magic or somthing like that and sent micky to the future to prevent something terrible. AND another theory, couldnt this “micky” be mickeys very own nobody or heartless? and i thind these 3 people are very closley related in an odd way to sora,kairi, an riku.
i dont know about the secret movie so don’t get angry if i missed any thing someone stole my kh2 blah blah blah. all i’ve heard is stuff from this forum. By the way that movie was the best thing ive wacthed today.
and the thing about the roxas look alikes eyes moving when he was froze… I get what you saying.
the thing about the lookalikes eyes moving i saw that and i get waht your saying.
and yes i’m a newbie. don’t give me a swirly pleas…
and yes i’m a newbie. so don’t give me a swirly pleas…
KH person, no offense but you dont need to post everything twice.
Very off topic, but just kinda to take a break from all this intense and heated discussion. Whos is everyones favroite Organization 13 memeber and why?
ok you guys keep repeating everything i said…..everybody except *luna diviner* is jus now getting on to those theories….you guys keep speaking of the saaaammme stuff ok point proven are there anymore theories bcuz i belive mine is the strongest about the timeframe of the 3rd kingdom hearts game…………….
kh person are u a newbe to the game? it sounds like a dume Q but it sounds like the site. But ive only been playing the games for 2 years. ok back on topic
Whan xehnort has the little sodier when u look at his eye he looks like sora. then when he is frozen he looks like roxes but norma or what ever his name is said these are all new people so im thinking his brother they never said he had one and they never said he didnt
larry who ever said that old dude was xehanhort????????……………sora didnt hav any siblings and on top of Roxas cant hav a brother he’s jus sora’s nobody
i dont think he meant that the old dude was Xehanort he was just inferring so everyone knew what he was talking about, so lay off alittle, also, how do we know sora doesnt have any siblings? it was never said he did or didnt, but he could after all, sora must have had parents but they were never mentioned either. and Roxas could have a brother if soras brother(if he has one) became a heartless and a nobody was created too,technically that nobody would be roxas’s brother.
Listen all im doing is throwing opinions based on what ive seen on the clip and games like everyone else
Well I think he is xehnort but I geuss we’ll find out in time
Keep this in mind, everyone. This next title is going to go more in depth about the keyblade itself and Xenhort’s memories. I’m 90% sure that a keyblade war is going to occur. It seems as though those three armoured people are good guys. I hate to go off topic, but whatever happened to Malificent and Pete? All I know is that the last time they’re seen is in the World that Never WAs.
Exactly what I was thinking Org. XIII. It seemed to me that Malificent HELPED Sora. Remember when all the dusks I think were going to attack Sora. She showed and said that she’d take care of them. So IDK what happened there. As for Pete, no idea. He’s a pushover boss anyway. Who cares to tell you the truth. But I think Malificent will be involved in this next title.
Well to answer your questions, melifecent and pete took care of a swarm of heartless that appeared right before sora went to fight Xemnas. He plan was to take over the castle in the world that never was. Seing as how Melificent is no bitch, she probably wiped out all the heartless and took the cast for herself. As for her helping sora, she only helped him so that she could kill him instead. Her pride was to great to let Orginization 13 kill sora, and she didnt get her second chance. So its possible that she might return. However im gonna miss organization 13. they were awesome, and i almost didnt want to kill them in the game. It made me sad to kill Saix and Marluxia in chain of memoreid and KH2.
I made a coupple of mistakes that could differ someones understanding of my last comment. Where it says he plan was to… it should say her plan was to, reading: Her plan was to talk over the castle in the world that never was. Next was i said cast for herself, i meant castle for herself. Sry guys
Myabe I’m just dumb, but what is the deal with the Egimatic Soldier in KH2 FM? Does he actually have a role in the game or is like Sephiroth to where he just hangs around bothering Cloud? I mean Sephiroth isn’t really a bad guy is he? I’de just like to know what the Soldier’s role is in the game. I know he hates Xehanort too, but is it for the same reason Sora doesn’t like Xehanort or is it another reason?
Well Xehanort is the cause of all of sora’s problems, i mean think about it… Ansem the main bad guy in KH1 was XEHANORTS heartless. And Xemnas, the main bad guy in KH2, was the nobody of XEHANORT. Had xehanort not been foolish and “continued research better left forgotten” like ansem said, sora wouldent bein such a pickle. As for the E.S (egimatic solidier) he has no actual role in KH2 FM, however it is almost foreshadowing seing as how he has a big part in the next kingdom hearts installment. He is in a way like sephiroth, because hes just haning out kicking the crap outta sora, but hes not like sephiroth becuase hes a new charecter, and has something BIG to do with the next game.
I THINK THAT THAT BALD DUDE IS ANSEM FROM THE FUTRUE BEFORE HE RAPPED HIMSELF IN THE RED CLOTH. I THINK THE GUY THAT HAD HIS EYES CHANGE LOOKED LIKE ARON FROM THE SECOND GAME BUT WHO KNOWS.
Dude ansem was disyroyed in kh2 it cant be him it has to be xehnort
it doesnt have to be anybody, it can be someone totally new. But i get your point
Who’s Aron?
its supposed to be Auron, he was a party member in Olypus collsium in the underworld. He had the big sword, and the red coat thingy with one eye, and he was all like “this is my story, and your not part of it” to hades. Everyone thinks hes big because he talks or being a guardian to others in the past, (keyblade weilders or masters).
Hey everyone! BREAKTHROUGH! Does everyone remember at the end of kingdom hearts 2 when you fight Xemnas, he is armored during the second fight, and that form kinda cam outta nowhere, well that form looks like the E.S from final mix plus, maybe he has something to do with the night, and thats why in the extra cutscene he is “old friend”.
it makes sense that the 3rd kh is about xehnort kh1 his heartsless kh2 his nobody kh3 his story im sure its him the dude next to him not sure when is kh2fm coimg in usa anyway?
HEY YOU GUYZ I ACTUALLY THINK THE BALD MAN IS XEHANHORT BCUZ THE BALD MAN HAS ON THE SAME OUTFIT THAT XEHANHORT HAD ON AT THE END OF KH1!!!!!
HEy i was wondering, what does the keyblade look like with no keychain at all on? i know that if u use the origonal its kingdom key but what if theres not chain on at all, is it black smoke? does anyone know?
OK I hope people still read this but here is my theory. So I beleive this is in the past also I think that all this is connected to kh characters so
Bald Dude= Ansems Grandfather!
Dark follower= Rikus clone!
Roxas lookalike= Roxas (I will explain later)
Girl= remember the girl in sefeirs gang
Yellow eyed dude= Soras Grandfather!
Also mickey is there because he did travel in the past and before he did he wrote a letter to Sora, Riku, and Kairi telling them not to come to the past to help them or they could cause a time lapse that would destroy KINGDOM HEARTS!
As I said I would explain later you know how at the begging of the secret ending it says
“Birth by Sleep” which I beleive refers to when roxas (or roxas look alike) gets frozen he technically sleeps and as he sleeps for many years he gets reborn so “Birth by Sleep” is how the roxas look alike is roxas.
Luna, i asked that very same question quite a while ago, if you look at the secret ending i believe, and i mean close enough, quite a few keyblades dont even have a keychain on them. Which probably means that the true form, (no chain), is different, and there were many that didnt have a chain
Actually, I was the one who had noticed that no keychains were present on any of the keyblades. Maybe the ones we have been using were just prototypes?
Hate to change the subject, but there was something that I noticed at the end of KH2. Remember when all of the Ansem Reports move downward in the background? You’ll notice that there was one particular report which wasn’t obtained in the game: Ansem Report 0. I couldn’t read the bulk of it. But what I could read explained something about the people in Radiant Garden and Radiant Garden itself. Let me know if anyone knows what the rest of the report says.
with what KH RULES said I somewaht agree but if u look closely at the roxes lookalike eyes then youll c they are still moving how impossible it is it is a great idea
I still think that the Ansem look alike is Xenhort. Here’s why. When you’re fighting Xemnas for the final time, you’ll notice that not only can he teleport but he can also make copies of himself. Ring a bell anybody? It happens right in the begining of the new secret ending. Does anyone think that this whole war could have happened while Sora was asleep? I mean, it does make sense. Maybe this next game is a prologue to the entire series and why the keyblade is so special. Any other ideas?
I know that it is tempting to say the bald dude is xehanort, but he is not. He does everything xehanort does and he dresses like him too. this is all evidence that he is xehanort, but he’s not. Nomura said that these are all new characters,BUT they do connections with some past characters. And I don’t mean playable characters either. Nomura never said anything about playable characters. These characters are all new and we’ve never seen them before.
if your reffering to when he was asleep before kingdom hears 2 after chain of memoires it wouldent work. if the bald dude is Xehanort than Ansem the main antagonist in the first kingome hearts wouldent be around yet. If your talking about before any kingom hearts game i totally agree with you, and the birth by sleep i explain as sora, because sora doesnt have like any memorie of his home or anytihng in the past, only the island, so maybe he was asleep and forgot sometihng, almost like The real Xehanort. next it says in the end of the secret movie all destinies are intertwined, so soras and xehanorts anyone? lastly and someone mentiond it before, (sry for repeating) everyone look at soras crown necklace. What is up with that thing? theories?
oh ya and kh rules your theory of the roxas look alike cancles its self,,,for 1 Nomura confirmed all new characters with connections to other characters…………..2 roxas wasnt born until sora became the shadow heartless………so roxas didnt wake up from anything he jjus came about after soras heart returned……..and i think the knight with black/then gold eyes is maybe xehanhorts brother and the bald guy is the father of both xehanhort and the knight,,,,,,,,,,,and maybe just maybe the little clone is xehanhort………….and i thinks thats why the first knight was the first to attempt 2 attack
something nobody’s talked about…i think that being able to split (maybe into solely a heartless) might be a new power in the game. You see the old man separate (summon?) a heartless from himself, and you also see it in the ending of the regular kh2. The warrior in gold armor actually looks like he comes together with whatever (maybe heartless also) he summoned. He steps off of the heartless he just defeated so maybe he used his split power? and on the mountain, the warriors eyes turn yellow, and look just like heartless Xehanort’s eyes. Another sign of splitting with your heartless?
Also im gonna go ahead and agree with the idea that it’s in the past. the theory that mickey was training or just finished with Yen Sid makes sense. His clothes are different, simpler less regal like that of a king. In kh2 mickey also said that he had in fact trained under Yen Sid, and when sora finished he recieved the starseeker. coincidence? possibly, but this just seems logical. It also meshes with the idea of ‘the sealed truth’ from Shortboy, that mickey has kept his involvement with the keyblade wars a secret because maybe he was ashamed that he participated in dark activites? its a thought.
and those three characters werent any from the other games. Nomura specifically they were all new characters that somehow had relation with characters from the others. Also, they’re not calling it kingdom hearts 3, they’re going by a new title, so the letter they recieved at the end of kh2 might not have anything to do with this games plot at all. myabe,maybe not. they’re speculations
When you mentioned that the king could have kept his involvement with the keyblade war a seceret,that actually makes sense completely. In KH2 he was always hesistant about what happened to Riku, So it wouldn’t surprise me if Mickey kept this a seceret from everyone else too. Makes you wounder why he could have been invloved with the war. Maybe the reason why the whole war started was because of Kingdom Hearts itself. Here’s what I think might have happened.
Back then, there were only good keyblade masters. Kingdom Hearts as we know it is the heart of all worlds. These three chasers were always guarding KH. Peace had reigned over the worlds. But then one day dark keyblade masters started appearing. They wanted to obtain KH so they could destroy all the worlds. However, the three chasers were in their way. Xehanort was the leader of all the dark keyblade masters.
With all his power he attacked the three chasers. The three chasers were able to exstinguish all of them except for Xehanort and his heartless. (seceret ending explains the rest) After the Roxas look-alike was frozen, Xehanort called forth Kingdom Hearts. As for the king, he used time travel to see what new threat was arising. His letter deals with this threat in some way….
Well here is something I picked up and made up. so there are four chasers total when 2 of them (dude with yellow eyes and blue and bald dude) found out they could have more power falling to the dark side one (yellow blue eyed guy) asks for forgiveness of the other 2 chasers and he becomes light again but the other stays dark and gets extremely powerful. also when the heart moon appeared in the sky I think that the yellow eyed blue eyed dudes eyes turned yellow becuase of the anger and power of the darkside took control of him.
i agree its in the past, i think the thing about it being before mickey was king is probly right, but then that makes me wonder who is king at this time. and i’m willing to bet theres other Knights or there were other Knights to.
you guys are cathing on too late,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you maybe read the post b4 yours than maybe you wont keep repeating the same stuff
What do you guys think about my theory?
i think your theory is good, but its also alot of whats already been said, and im not an ass so im not gonna bitch at you for repeating, im just saying that its similar to other things. THe only problem is that your theory doesnt settle alot of the things in the secret ending, like the shadow clone thingy that came out of the old man. But again im just saying, please dont take any offense. My theory: this is all way in the the past before mickeys reign as king, the chaseres are elders of sora riku and kairi, (soras dad and brother are the dark haired and blonde kid, ((it explains why the dark haired soldier held back the kid, if it was his son, and the blonde haired kid looks like sora and roxas because they are related *brothers*)) the blue haired girl is kairis mom, and the old dude is Xehanort.)If you think about it this solves most of the problesm in the movie, (let me know if i missed any and ill explain) the last 2 things- The lettter is explainging their families, to sora riku and kairi and thats why there kinda awestruck, and mickey was there to see it. and theres alot of speculation about the origonal secret movie involving the big chaser “reforming” i think that was just a camera enhancement to show emphasis, also did anyone notice the dragon he was standing over is the dragon sora and riku take down in the and oh KH2? well it was, connection to Xehanort anyone?
ummm i dont think the as/eu is sora’s father Yet it might be but soras mom lived on the island sora/kairi and riku lived on(not destiny islands)
i think it woulda said sora had a brother or a father(so that cancles where you say it must be in the past cuz soras mom is on the island)so either way your theory is at fault
soras mom is on the island present time*
Well as many of you know it is probably kairis grandmother who tells storys of the war!
I agree and disagree with you. Sure, her grandmother does explain an interesting story. But I don’t see how she could have been involved with that keyblade war. Sorry, but could you explain your explanation in a better way?
It hased to be, there must be forshadowing somewehre in the game for the 3rd one, and i didt see any in KH2, and if she talkes about fighting over light, then that has to mean something for the 3rd installment. Otherwise the next game wouldent be about a keyblade war, it would be something else.
Wow, that makes sense actually, i passed right over the grandmother, i jsut played through kh1 recently too, but org does have a good pooint, she doesnt explain a whole lot, and i think that was done unporpuse, like they had ideas on where to go with the story, but if they put in direct references, the people who played would expect multiple games, and what if it wasnt a hit? i think there is more to what the grandmother is saying
I don’t get why they would give you a hint about what happens in the third one when no one had even played KH2 at the time. They actually do give you an idea on what the next game will be about. This happens when Xigbar says that the keyblade chose a dud this time around. To me, that’s proof enough that the new title will be about the keyblade war.
not to put you down or anytihng dont get mr wrong, but just because xigbar says man did it pick a dud this time doesnt mean theres gonna be a war, it just means that they have seen masters before and better than sora.
agreed^
Sorry org, i didnt mean that it would give a hint toward the 3rd game, i meant it as giving subtle hints towards multiple games.
As far as Xigbar goes, it depends what you take out of what he says, him saying it picked a dud this time, most obviously means there were other wielders, quite possibly other masters. But the question who have to think about now is what the hell happened to the previous wielders? Did they die, or were they taken captured?
Thats a great point. I dont think in any game theres ever a refferance of time, the last weilder/master could have been 10000 years ago, or 10 years ago, or died last year, or still alive. I definetly dont think there still alive, otherwise why would organization 13 need sora to collect the heartless, if sora is in fact a “dud” then organization 13 would use the previous/better weilders to do that, not sora. Captured…maybe, but right now, without a referance to time, i dont think it can be said for sure.
The thing is, if the organization had captured the previous wielders or perhaps they are still just alive, doesnt mean they still have their powers. For instance, maybe they are alive, but they can no longer wield the keyblade. Once again, this theory is way out there, but that doesnt mean there can be some shred of a good idea in there, cause that soldier is a wielder, who knows where else that could lead
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i like the idea that the roxas look-alike isn’t a true keyblade weilder cause his broke, and im pretty sure that’s something that isnt possible for a true keyblade. ponder that.
and when if first saw the ending to the original kh2 i thought it was just a camera enhancement too. but seeing the ending of final mix is what made me think there might be more to it, since i would think that the writers would be able to come up with a cool enhancement different from the ability of the bald guy (Xehanort?) for effect. the actions are just too similar for me to write it off as simply a camera enhancement for one, and a power for another.
Actually collin, i have, and ponder this for a moment, in kh1, riku takes the keyblade away from sora in hollow bastion, but he gets it back later in that world. Not the same thing i know, but relatively close, sora lost the keyblade at that time because his heart wasnt strong enough, but he got it back because his heart was “restored” to have enough power to get it back. That might have been the same thinking with the Roxas look-a-like, his heart and his spirit wasnt focused enough, so he wasnt able to keep the keyblade at its full potential.
Maybe the old guy is Ansems nobody. and it is the future so the nobody got older. He does have power and obviously he knows about kingdom hearts. and why is kingdom hearts a moon or something?
In all kingdom hearts its been a mood looking thing. It kingdom hearts one its on the box. In kingdom hearts 2 Saix uses the moons power (kingdom herts) so its allways been a moon.
thanks for answering, but it still doesnt answer my question, im asking why it is always a moon not when has it been a moon.
I have just seen this movie today so obviously I’m pretty late on the whole thing. So, if someone could e-mail me and tell me that all this stuff is out it would be awesome. my e-mail is brother_of_a_emo@yahoo.com i know, its korny, my sister made it.
All it really is is a gateway, kinda like a door, i dont think it has any real specific reason for it being a moon. Maybe they will explain in the new game
I guess we’ll have to just wait and see what happens.
Ah sorry for not answering your question, guess i missunderstood. I dont honestly know what its a moon, just is i guess
I have an idea about this third game.
It’ll take place in both the past and the future. You play as both a Chaser in the past, and as Sora in the future. The game intercuts the two plots going on, and near endgame they intertwine in some way.
As for Mickey, I agree with an earlier comment that in the past segment, Mickey is still in training under Yen Sid, and therefore holds a different Keyblade. Maybe you could even play as him. Better yet, he’ll be one of two main characters.
And Xehanort? He’s obviously the one in this secret ending. My bet is that he’s defeated at the end of the game, but to live on he somehow manages to reincarnate himself. Hence he winds up at Hollow Bastion under Ansem’s apprenticeship. But Xehanort has lost his memories as a side-effect.
Good theory.
another fact*opinion* from me that this is in the past is yes mickey is still under yensids training becuz he holds the starseeker,,,,,,,,,,,,,and nomora explained that mickey had to go to the dark realm of worlds and obtain the dark keyblade*opposite to soras light keyblade*and mickey has had the dark kingdom key for a while………….so if mickey had it for a while and in the secret ending he has the star seeker then its must be in the past
Normora said that sora kiri and riku would not be in kh3
did he say that they would not be in the game, or not playable, cause there is a difference
he said they might be in the game, and that the three new characters would have some relation to them
Well, we do know one thing. Mickey has been known to keep secrets from Sora about certain things. I mean, think about it. Sora didn’t find out what happened to Riku until we were towards the end of the game. We have to wait until May to see what happens. Maybe I’m blind because I didn’t see a keychain on that Ansem look alike’s keyblade. Hate to admit it, but that guy is someone that should not be messed with. Perhaps he’s going to be the one we have to exterminate.
Even if Sora isn’t a playable character, it wouldn’t bother me that much. Who knows, there could be someone out there that is better than Sora. If we get to play as the King that would be awesome. Is it just me or did Mickey’s keyblade not have a keychain? Can’t be believe that those keyblades had so much power in them. Something tells me that there’s more to Kingdom Hearts than what we already know….
Exactly org, not playing as sora, at first i might have a bit of trouble getting used to it, but i would get over it rather quick. AS for the keychains, i thought there were keychains on the look-a-like as well as mickeys.
And yes, MIckey is one of those ecret keepers, but with riku it was because riku asked him not to tell him, but there might even have been things that mickey knew about that is really important
When you put it that way, it just deepens the mystery even more. I seem to be noticing some kind of pattern. Every time we are able to figure something out another question arises.
Just about, i mean, for a while we thought the soldiers was Sora, Riku, and Kairi. But when we were told it wasnt them, we went off, at least i know i did, i was like, ok then. Well, who are they? Do they have a connection to the characters? about another 2 to 3 questions arise when we learn something new. With Kingdom Hearts, it looks like a story that could go on for a while that has many different looks and stories to it. Im not saying it will make as many games as final Fantasy, but it might get close.
Do you know how cool that would be, like 10 kingdom hearts games man that would bee awesome…ok back to reality, kingdom hearts has so many things it could do just like you were saying oblivion, there can be 3 chapters or 300 because it involvs fighting, so each time theres a new enemy teres a new game. and its been proven that the game can create something new and make a new story, like organization 13, and the next game with the new charecters. Im thinking that there will be 7, usually movies and games make either 2, 3, or 7. and i dont think thell stop at 3 if it continues to make money.
The only problem with that is repetition, they cant do the same things over and over again, they need to be original. I know this sounds odd, but look at the madden games, i know, im comparing kingdom hearts to a football game, but just hear me out. Every year they came out with something new that really made the game shine, but for the last 2 games, nothing new has come out, just recent roster changes.
AS for multiple games, like i said, they need to be original and if they do that, not only different sides of the story, but ways of fighting, moves, and combos. If they can do that, then they might be able to make it to 5, maybe 6 full story games, like kh1 and kh2, and not talking about side stories like COM.
Again comparing to another game, remember Crash Bandicoot? they ended that series before the game got boring, the game was still exciting and cool, but they stopped it after like 4 games, i hope they dont do that, but its an interesting thought.
Well i think that if you look at it logically, theres allway something to be done, say kairi and sora get freaky and have a kid, anothe game can be soras kid as the main charecter, and as for keeping it new, just create new charecters like aqua and ven from final mix plus.
but the thing is, i dont think aqua and ven are completly new, i mean, i think they have a connectoin to the characters in the past, yes, new to our point of view, but not new to the story, they were there, just not technically told yet.
im a huge kh fan, maybe too much of one, but after a while, there gonna need to do more to keep my attention than just new characters. like worlds, combos, all that stuff, characters will help, just cant be all
Oh, yeah i agree totally, but i also think that involving a fighting game people can pretty much come up with new things to hold attention, but i also thnk people (the devolpers) need to know when to call it quits. So go figure.
if they do decide to call it quits, im not going to hold it against them, the only thing i want, is for them to not leave a cliffhanger ending, then end the series
ive seen a video called full kingdom hearts 2 final mix+ secret trailer, and these three chasers are not the bad guys. some bald guy with another figure whom which i dont know seems to be the bad guys here. the old man could be xenmens *dont know name* lost memories.
also happen to notice that the bald guy has yellow eyes and near the end of the video terra eyes went the same color, that could mean two things. 1) he is one of the chasers that go back into darkness. or 2) he is the old mans younger self.
i also belive that the mickey in the tralier is a younger mickey still in training by yin sid, i dont know how the connection between the note at the end of kh2 and the chasers or ven but i’ll try and fit it together….